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Johannes English

M, #23010, Deceased, b. about 1815, d. 17 August 1867
  • Consanguinity: 2nd great-grandfather of AJS

Family

Family: Brigida Troy (b. about 1823, d. 25 September 1871)

Main Events

  • Birth: Johannes English was born about 1815 in Co Waterford, Ireland.
  • Marriage: Johannes English and Brigida Troy were married before 1845 in St. Mary's, Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland, I am using the baptism of son Johannes on 23 February 1850 for evidence of parentage ... I believe it reads "Johannes ... son of Johannes English and Brigida Troy". This is my interpretation of the handwriting - if you think it may be different, please let me know.

    I can find no evidence of a marriage ceremony here.
  • His son Michael English was born in 1845 in County Waterford, Ireland.
  • His son Johannes ("John English") English was born about April 1850 in Waterford, Ireland.
  • His son Patrick English was born about 1857.
  • Death: Johannes English died on 17 August 1867 at some kind of institution - maybe a hospital, jail or some other place., in Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland, First name(s) John
    Last name English
    Deceased name English, John
    Event type Deaths
    Sex Male
    Birth year 1815
    Age 52
    Marital status Married
    Occupation Labourer
    Year 1867
    Ailment Decease of heart
    Treatment duration Several months
    Death date 17 Aug 1867
    Death place Dungarvan
    Informant Shine, Matthew, J.
    Informant's address Dungarvan
    Informant notes Chief resident officer
    Registration date 02 Sep 1867
    Registrar Kenny, Anthony
    Registrar's district Dungarvan
    Superintendent registrar's district Dungarvan
    Place Waterford
    County Waterford
    Country Ireland
    Archive Waterford County Archives
    Record set Waterford Registers & Records
    Category Census, land & surveys
    Subcategory Directories & Almanacs
    Collections from Ireland.
  • His wife Brigida Troy died on 25 September 1871.

Census

Note Johannes English Id #23,010 (Principal) was at home on Census night; NB I note that may researchers have stated that the parents of this "John" are Patrick English and Mary Heron. I have found no evidence for this speculation.

In fact, I think a more likely possibility for the birth and baptism of Johannes English who married Bridget Troy is this :-


1812 •
Baptism Date: • 30 Jan 1812
Baptism Place: • St Mary's, Clonmel, Waterford and Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants: • St. Mary's, Clonmel
Diocese: • Waterford and Lismore
Father: • Georges English
Mother: • Margarita Smith


Further, convention might suggest that some parents might name the first son after their own father - in this case, one might expect the first sone to be named "Michael". However, again this is speculation - and until I have some evidence, I am not prepared to accept that Patrick English & Mary Heron are the parents of Johannes English (c. 1815-1867).

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  • Last Edited: 3 December 2022 15:51:01

Biography

Brigida Troy

F, #23011, Deceased, b. about 1823, d. 25 September 1871
  • Consanguinity: 2nd great-grandmother of AJS

Family

Family: Johannes English (b. about 1815, d. 17 August 1867)

Main Events

  • Name: Brigida Troy was also known as Brigida English.
  • Birth: She was born about 1823.
  • Marriage: Brigida Troy and Johannes English were married before 1845 in St. Mary's, Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland, I am using the baptism of son Johannes on 23 February 1850 for evidence of parentage ... I believe it reads "Johannes ... son of Johannes English and Brigida Troy". This is my interpretation of the handwriting - if you think it may be different, please let me know.

    I can find no evidence of a marriage ceremony here.
  • Her son Michael English was born in 1845 in County Waterford, Ireland.
  • Her son Johannes ("John English") English was born about April 1850 in Waterford, Ireland.
  • Her son Patrick English was born about 1857.
  • Her husband Johannes English died on 17 August 1867 in Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland.
  • Death: She died on 25 September 1871 Her son Michael was present at the death.
  • Last Edited: 3 December 2022 10:10:49

Biography