A Snelson DataBase & Armory

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Unknown Paul1

M, #4951, Deceased

Family

Family: Ann Snelson (b. before 21 April 1799)

Main Events

  • Death: Unknown Paul died in an unknown place.
  • Marriage: Unknown Paul and Ann Snelson were married before 1839.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:18

Citations

  1. [S442] Will of Joseph Snelson of Alvanley, Yeoman d. Dec 1838

Biography

Briscoe Snelson1

M, #4953, Deceased, b. about 1860, d. 13 January 1893

Parents

Family

Family: Sarah Jane Hayward (b. 1859, d. 10 December 1941)

Main Events

  • Birth: Briscoe Snelson was born about 1860 in Tarvin.
  • Marriage: Briscoe Snelson and Sarah Jane Hayward were married about 1882 in an unknown place.
  • Burial: Briscoe's remains were buried in January 1893 in the local cemetery.
  • Death: He died on 13 January 1893.2

Census

Census 1861Briscoe Snelson Id #4,953 (Son) was at home on Census night 1861 at Public House End Cart Inn, Brimsatge, Cheshire.

Also in the household that night were Peter Snelson (Principal), Anne Wainwright (Wife), Mary Emily Snelson (Daughter), Richard Snelson (Brother), and Margharetta Wainwright (Sister-in-Law)

For search purposes, their Id numbers are respectively as follows :- Id #364, 1,682, 1,685, 253, and 7,288

Original Documents, Source and Citations here3
Census 1861Briscoe Snelson Id #4,953 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1861 at Public House End Cart Inn, Brimstage, Cheshire

Original Documents, Source and Citations here3
Census 1881Briscoe Snelson Id #4,953 (Servant) was at home on Census night 1881 at Liverpool; He is described as a 21 year old draper's assistant, born in Moudsworth, living in the home of Robert M. Walker.

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1891Briscoe Snelson Id #4,953 (Head of Household) was at home on Census night 1891 at Canterbury Road, Ashton-under-Lyme.

Also in the household that night were Sarah Jane Hayward (Wife), Reginald Snelson (Son), Dora (2) Snelson (Daughter), Frederick Watts Wainwright Snelson (Son), Mary Bratt (Mother-in-Law), and Henry A Hayward (Brother-in-Law)

For search purposes, their Id numbers are respectively as follows :- Id #634, 4,954, 6,112, 635, 7,308, and 22,236

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:27

Citations

  1. [S544] Letter from Kenneth Snelson dated 29 December 1990, Source Element: R3-4952
  2. [S718] Letter from Isobel Butler dated 21 June 1992, Source Element: R3-6079
  3. [S5628] Census 1861 Cheshire Peter Snelson a. 30, Census Type: Film
    Census Place: Brimstage

Biography

Reginald Snelson1

M, #4954, Deceased, b. 1888, d. 1970

Parents

Family

Main Events

  • Marriage: Reginald Snelson and Clara Unknown were married.
  • Biography: Isobel remebers being in holiday with Reg in Essex when she was 14 years old. He was a Director of Armour's corn beef empire. [:CR:].
  • Occupation: He was a Company Director.
  • Birth: He was born in 1888.2
  • Residence: He resided in South Benfleet about 1947.
  • Death: He died in 1970, at age ~82.3

Census

Census 1891Reginald Snelson Id #4,954 (Son) was at home on Census night 1891 at Canterbury Road, Ashton-under-Lyme.

Also in the household that night were Briscoe Snelson (Head of Household), Sarah Jane Hayward (Wife), Dora (2) Snelson (Daughter), Frederick Watts Wainwright Snelson (Son), Mary Bratt (Mother-in-Law), and Henry A Hayward (Brother-in-Law)

For search purposes, their Id numbers are respectively as follows :- Id #4,953, 634, 6,112, 635, 7,308, and 22,236

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:20

Citations

  1. [S544] Letter from Kenneth Snelson dated 29 December 1990, Source Element: R3-4952
  2. [S718] Letter from Isobel Butler dated 21 June 1992, Source Element: R3-6079
  3. [S817] Letter from Frank Langley Snelson dated 22nd December 1992

Biography

Margery Saunders

F, #4956, Deceased, b. 1486

Parents

Family

Family: William Snelson (b. about 1486)

Main Events

  • Name: Margery Saunders was also known as Margery Sneston.
  • Marriage: Margery Saunders and William Snelson were married.1,2
  • Birth: She was born in 1486.
  • Residence: We think that she was living about 1525.3
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:22

Citations

  1. [S559] Visitation of London 1633/34 College of Arms Ms 2c 24/354
  2. [S5832] Harleian 1041 fo. 52 Harleian 1543 fo. 38b 72b, Item Info: Visitation of Cheshire 1613
    File Name/no: R3-5033 Cotton
  3. [S784] Date estimated on 25 year generations.

Biography

William Snelson1

M, #4957, Deceased, b. about 1486

Person Exhibits

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Parents

Family

Family: Margery Saunders (b. 1486)

Main Events

  • Marriage: William Snelson and Margery Saunders were married.1,2
  • Biography: The date of birth for William Snelston who married Marjorie Saunders has been calculated based on 30 years per generation - going back from an estimated date of birth for Roger the dyer and assuming that the dotted line in the Visitation of London does not imply missed generations.

    If we look at the Visitation of Gloucester 1623 for Cotton, you will see that Margaret Snelston [6717] was the heire of Thomas Snelston, and if we move up at 30 years per generation from her grandson ( Richard Cotton [6729])'s date of birth, we would arrive at a birth year for Margaret at circa 1515. Going back from here, we must assume that her father Thomas Snelston [6716] had no surviving male children as daughter Margaret was his heire. At 30 years a generation, puts Thomas at a birth year of circa 1485.

    The ONLY earlier, entitled ancestor left who could possibly show legitimately the arms of Baguley, Bostock and Snelson, marshalled in a single achievement, then must be Thomas's father, John Snelston [6715]. At another 30 years a generation, this means that we have estimated a year of birth for this John Snelston at the year 1455. John's father Thomas Snelston [5290] who married Issabel Bostock [5291], would only be entitled to show the Bostock arms on his shield as an escutcheon of pretence, however their children (ie John Snelston born circa 1455 and his descendants) would be entitled to quarter the arms of the mother Issabel Bostock.

    As Issabel [5291] was an heraldic heiress, she could show her father's arms legitimately with Baguley and Bostock, as her grandmother an Unknown Baguley [23267] was a Baguley heiress. Therefore, all other things being equal, John Snelston [6715] born circa 1455 is Roger the dyer's direct ancestor.

    I have separately calculated William Snelston's birth year using the same 30 year rule per generation to circa 1486. This is only 1 year different from the independently calculated year of birth for Thomas Snelston [6716], an armiger whose heire was Margaret Snelston who was born circa 1515-1530.

    It all fits too easily, but it is all we have to go on. The case might be more coincidental than robust. However, I am assuming from here that William Snelston [4957] who married Margery Saunders [6956] was the son of John Snelston [6715], grandson of David Bostock [6714], armiger and great-great grandson of Sir William Baguley [6711], armiger and that this is how the three arms came to be quartered together on the Macclesfield Chalice. Accordingly, without hard proof, and on the logic of this argument, I have inferred or assumed in good faith the linkage between William Snelson [4957] ( born circa 1486 ) and his deducted parent, John Snelston [6715] ( born circa 1455 ).

    The latter John Snelston's parents were Thomas Snelston [5290] and Issabel Bostock [5291], great grand daughter and heire of Sir William Baguley.

    This seems crazy, but I tried it - just as a sanity check. I applied this theory of 30 years per generation to Roger the dyer's antecedents as described above, and followed them back in a straight line all the way to Osmer Bostock [6742] who we know was around in 1066. He is referred to in the Visitation of Cheshire 1580, which in turn points to an earlier Sir Gilbert Bostock [6741], who appears to be associated with Warin de Vernon [6748] and Martini Banester. None of these names appear in "My Ancestors Came with the Conqueror" by Anthony Camp, although there are several Vernon references.

    Some sources refer to Osmer as "Sir Osmer". He is more likely to have been a thegn or thane, an Anglo-Saxon title (Anglo-Saxon: þeg(e)n, Danish: degn, Old High German: degan, Old Norse: thegn or "king's follower") meaning an attendant, servant, retainer or official, usually in a military sense similar to the later "knight."

    The date calculated as an approximate date of birth for Osmer Bostock [6742] at 30 years per generation, going back from Richard Cotton [6729] who we know was 19 years old in 1589 is the year 995 AD !!! Isn't that amazing. I think this means that whilst we might be out perhaps as much as 25 years in each generation, over a period crossing many hundreds of years, perhaps SIX HUNDRED YEARS and some 20 generations, the integrity of the guesstimate stands up.

    It is possible that Osmer Bostock was aged 71 at the time of the Battle of Hastings, if indeed he was there. I wonder why he is referred to in the Visitation of Cheshire 1580 if he wasn't a defender in the Conquest ? His lands evidently were granted to Richard de Vernon, Baron of Shipbrook, one of the invaders mentioned in the Battle Abbey Roll along with Hugh and Walter de Vernon, presumably his relatives. This does not mean he was actually at the Battle.

    So what ? Well, I think this all lends support for the date estimates for the relationship between Roger Snelson [6878] the dyer and donor between the years 1624-1634 of the Macclesfield Chalice, the heiress Margaret Snelston [6717] (who married Richard Cotton ) circa 1540, the heiress Isabel Bostock [5291] (who married Thomas Snelston [5290]) around about 1450, and the heiress [23267] of Sir William Baguley who married David de Bostock some time close to the year 1390. At least, that's the way I see it.
  • Birth: He was born about 1486.

  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:18

Citations

  1. [S559] Visitation of London 1633/34 College of Arms Ms 2c 24/354
  2. [S5832] Harleian 1041 fo. 52 Harleian 1543 fo. 38b 72b, Item Info: Visitation of Cheshire 1613
    File Name/no: R3-5033 Cotton

Biography

Joseph Snelson

M, #4965, Deceased, d. about 1838

Parents

Main Events

  • Death: Joseph Snelson died about 1838 in Runcorn, Lancashire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:23

Citations

  1. [S227] St. Catherine's House Indexes - Deaths, Source Element: R3-4945

Biography

Lydia Snelson

F, #4966, Deceased, d. about 1838

Main Events

  • Death: Lydia Snelson died about 1838 in Bolton, Lancashire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:22

Citations

  1. [S227] St. Catherine's House Indexes - Deaths, Source Element: R3-4945

Biography

Thomas Snelson

M, #4967, Deceased, d. about 1838

Main Events

  • Death: Thomas Snelson died about 1838 in Bolton, Lancashire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:19

Citations

  1. [S227] St. Catherine's House Indexes - Deaths, Source Element: R3-4945

Biography

William Snelson

M, #4968, Deceased, d. about 1838

Main Events

  • Death: William Snelson died about 1838 in Salford, Lancashire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:18

Citations

  1. [S227] St. Catherine's House Indexes - Deaths, Source Element: R3-4945

Biography

Thomas Snelson

M, #4969, Deceased, b. about 1825, d. about 1907

Main Events

  • Birth: Thomas Snelson was born about 1825.
  • Death: He died about 1907 in Warrington, Lancashire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:19

Citations

  1. [S227] St. Catherine's House Indexes - Deaths, Source Element: R3-4945

Biography

Bertha Annie Snelson

F, #4970, Deceased, b. about 1890

Main Events

  • Birth: Bertha Annie Snelson was born about 1890 in Chorlton, Lancashire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:27

Citations

  1. [S226] St. Catherine's House Indexes

Biography

Dorothy Snelson

F, #4971, Deceased, b. about 1890

Main Events

  • Birth: Dorothy Snelson was born about 1890 in Maidstone, Kent.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:27

Citations

  1. [S226] St. Catherine's House Indexes

Biography

Alfred Snelson

M, #4972, Deceased, b. about 1904, d. about 1905

Main Events

  • Birth: Alfred Snelson was born about 1904.
  • Death: He died about 1905 in Prescot.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:28

Citations

  1. [S227] St. Catherine's House Indexes - Deaths, Source Element: R3-4945

Biography

Arthur Edward Snelson

M, #4973, Deceased, b. 6 February 1880, d. 12 September 1883

Parents

Main Events

  • Birth: Arthur Edward Snelson was born on 6 February 1880 in Brereton, Cheshire.1
  • Burial: Arthur Edward's remains were buried in September 1883 in Grave 269, Swettenham.2
  • Death: He died on 12 September 1883, at age 3.2
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:28

Citations

  1. [S226] St. Catherine's House Indexes
  2. [S5724] Eric Little, Information by Eric Little

Biography

George Herbert Snelson

M, #4974, Deceased, b. about 1880

Main Events

  • Birth: George Herbert Snelson was born about 1880 in Congleton, Cheshire.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:25

Citations

  1. [S226] St. Catherine's House Indexes

Biography

Leonard Snelson

M, #4975, Deceased, b. about 1880

Main Events

  • Birth: Leonard Snelson was born about 1880 in Wortley.1
  • Last Edited: 6 July 2021 12:41:22

Citations

  1. [S226] St. Catherine's House Indexes

Biography